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12-Step Mixing Masterclass with Pop Production Legend Dr Phil Harding
In Phil Harding's excellent book 'Pop Music Production - Manufactured Pop and Boybands of the 1990s' Phil outlines his tried and tested 12-step top down mixing technique. But it's not top-down mixing as in starting with your two-bus processing first. That's silly. No, Phil means top down by starting with the most important element of your mix, often vocals, and building the other instrumentation around it to support its lead role. Not silly!
We suggested to Phil this would make an excellent video, and he agreed, and so we headed off to J.A.M.E.S. accredited Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge, to film it in front of a small audience of students. And here's the full two hour session in all its glory!
We highly recommend you pick up a copy of Phil's book as it's a fascinating read, even for those not into pop music production per se. You can grab a copy directly from him at:
www.philhardingmusic.com
Find out more about J.A.M.E.S. accreditation at:
www.jamesonline.org.uk
We'd like to extend a huge thank you to Phil for giving up his valuable time to give us this masterclass, and to the fantastic staff, assistants, and students at ARU for hosting us!
0:00:00 - intro
0:02:15 - Phil's background
0:12:19 - Top down mixing
0:16:17 - the project & template
0:23:30 - a guide pad for the vocal
0:25:45 - vocal processing
0:38:50 - backing vocals
0:47:00 - bad drum recordings
0:48:30 - additional keyboards
0:49:56 - forming and leading a team, and using Belinda's guitarist
0:52:24 - organ
0:53:42 - synth melody
0:55:32 - guitars
1:03:18 - mixing piano using the 'split' method
1:12:05 - the importance of leaving things out
1:16:37 - bass
1:19:38 - drums
1:26:00 - referencing "Heaven Is A Place On Earth" and chorus at the front
1:28:35 - play through
1:30:50 - other artists on the project
1:36:08 - Q&A
Credits:
Belinda Carlisle - ‘Have You Ever Seen The Rain’
Guitars / Bass - James Nisbet
Keyboards - Julian Wiggins
Drums - Simon Dalton
Backing Vocals - Melissa Wiggins
Extra cameras - David Johnson & Oliver Horn
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @Herfinnur
    @Herfinnur День тому

    Pete Burns doing "I Feel Love" is a stroke of Genius.such a shame that it couldn't be

  • @natdenchfield8061
    @natdenchfield8061 День тому

    I am not a professional and am not in the industry .. but I can see Paul's angle here as someone opening a studio for tracking and likely hoping to provid a mix for those recordings. He may just be looking to be known for a particular style and sound, a form of niching down..

  • @Herfinnur
    @Herfinnur День тому

    Oy (Oi? Oj?) Oyj?) No livestream today?

  • @BandiFornosky1
    @BandiFornosky1 День тому

    Another no show, you leave me no choice, I will have call the police on you.

  • @derekchapman5167
    @derekchapman5167 День тому

    Belinda's vocal take(s) is(are) great!!

  • @pauldavidthomasfrodo
    @pauldavidthomasfrodo 2 дні тому

    I'm a festool lover. However, as I see it now the glue is going to be doing a LOT of the binding work and the domino's support alignment. A decent jig and normal dowels would do the job just as well, but with a lower price point if you are sub-contracting any works out when dealing with over seas markets.

  • @pauldavidthomasfrodo
    @pauldavidthomasfrodo 2 дні тому

    Well, I never realised it was such a complex, creative process.

  • @KOSMIKFEADRECORDS
    @KOSMIKFEADRECORDS 2 дні тому

    This shit sounds like yall are lying hehehehe

  • @hamidrezabehdad
    @hamidrezabehdad 2 дні тому

    ATC SCM 25 or PSI A25? any tested them side by side if u have to pick one for mix and mastering

  • @JohnnyHurbonConnections
    @JohnnyHurbonConnections 3 дні тому

    Sound City movie

  • @jackbirth7087
    @jackbirth7087 3 дні тому

    Thank you mark I doint use plugins at all I mix analog and have a very small rack of hardware.

  • @jackbirth7087
    @jackbirth7087 3 дні тому

    Hi I am visually impaired do you have any Multi tracks that I can I have to practice with please. Kind regards, Jack,

  • @andysummersthxcinemaandmyc7748

    building same dummy head , mics , silicon ears , sand

  • @mk_random_4913
    @mk_random_4913 3 дні тому

    great mate, but you didn't even show how to remove bottom of this head. I just bought the same devices and now I see that your tutorial starts in the middle

  • @gkmixing
    @gkmixing 4 дні тому

    There's so much I resonate with in terms of doing atmos first. When I started learning it I was in the mindset that I'm basically starting to learn mixing from scratch, after a couple of experiments I realized, that you can just do one mix and export all the folddowns you need and it works great. I think if I started to learn atmos and think about things, like "how do I do 2bus processing" and stuff like that, it would be detrimental. Instead of trying to try to make atmos into something it is not, I adjusted my approach to the format and let it guide me. And I've arrived to pretty much same conclusions as you guys. :)

  • @OutRAjious
    @OutRAjious 4 дні тому

    Where are you based ?

  • @QFXmusic
    @QFXmusic 4 дні тому

    I believe the Reason we do the Atmos mix like the Stereo is so when apple streams it they play both at the same time... the system they use is made to play the stereo along with the atmos mix ... So if the atmos/Stream is not quick enough on your device you hear the stereo mix plays :) Now i mix my Atmos 1st then fold down the track to stereo so they are both pretty much identical. I have not idea if they allow two very different mixes to play together if they are not both the exact same time code.. ?

  • @Producelikeapro
    @Producelikeapro 5 днів тому

    Haha genius!!

  • @raycochrane3971
    @raycochrane3971 5 днів тому

    There was a lot of useful info in this, (though seeing the screens he was using would've been useful for the viewer AND the students), BUT his insistence of using "top Down" as his buzz term is either silly, given it's commonly understood as something else, or hubris in believing he can affect a change in that understanding. Why not Vocal Down or something that doesn't confuse/conflict?

    • @jackflynn-oakley1937
      @jackflynn-oakley1937 5 днів тому

      I think maybe this guy was doing it/published it in his book before Nolly(?) (if it was him who coined the term) started talking about ‘top down mixing’ as most people know it today; though I do agree. I also love how the guy in the Exodus shirt noted that, go on lad.

  • @gopalsemwal5979
    @gopalsemwal5979 6 днів тому

    Fantastic

  • @manoir_blues
    @manoir_blues 6 днів тому

    Thank you very much. Now, i have a very cheap spring reverb!

  • @d1ehl.
    @d1ehl. 6 днів тому

    NS 10 or Clav 10 vs A25-M?

  • @Kharrari
    @Kharrari 6 днів тому

    This is awesome

  • @ElsikkaTv
    @ElsikkaTv 6 днів тому

    So been into hardcore n house music scene in uk n security of many events always wanted a set up like to learn practise create mix n produce my music what would cos me to set up having no prior experience in setting up a bedroom studio n selection of cheap budget equipment to start this journey am creating tia cheers elsikka tv

  • @SirFreak
    @SirFreak 7 днів тому

    Could not make it to the livestream, but it was an interesting watch! Keep up the great work, guys!

  • @kontemplatemusic2189
    @kontemplatemusic2189 7 днів тому

    I've seen a plethora of masterclasses... some attended in person some bought the footage of on Internet. This is by far the most eclectic, disorganised, and chaotic class I've seen since 1998

  • @derekchapman5167
    @derekchapman5167 7 днів тому

    To go against the obvious grain, I thought Paul's mix was great and head-and-shoulders above Ed's; that mix could easily have been from the 70's, a la Earth Wind & Fire, and the great brass mix/setting of levels reminded me a lot of the live sound from Vine St horns on Phil Collins' later live tours. The brass, particularly had great presence, without sounding shrill, and the attack was was very polished and, as I'm guessing, the compression of volume he used to get that affect didn't sound in the least bit obvious. I suspect some serious side-chaining went on here, and to very good effect too. edit - to use PDP's own comment, albeit in the reverse, I thought Paul's mix wasn't particularly technical and it didn't make un-necessary effort to make every instrument/track have it's own place all of the time. Like I said, I think he used side-chaining to good effect and that kept the overall vibrancy well and truly alive. edit 2 - I've just listened to PDP's mix, I didn't spot it first time I watched this pod. I think Paul's mix is closest to the PDP mix, but where they differ is the low-end instruments are more prominent, without being evasive, on the PDP mix and that gives it a more polished sound. The BV's are better placed too, most prominent that the other two mixes, but in an impactful way rather that over-bearing. I think the PDP mix is a good example of combining a technical understanding of what's going on, but without removing energy or drive. What's important about these mixes is the better mix makes you want to listen to the complete song, and probably multiple times, whilst the less appealing mix would probably see me turn it off after 30 seconds if that were on the radio.

  • @Nullllus
    @Nullllus 7 днів тому

    I liked the PDP mix.

  • @cornerliston
    @cornerliston 7 днів тому

    When it comes to dynamics I think both Ed and Paul failed. Both sounds really squashed. All of your three mixes respectively gives three different flavours, where the PDP mix reflects the original music style the best and to my ears would be the one you can listen to several times without severe fatigue.

    • @chrisibbetson
      @chrisibbetson 6 днів тому

      I liked what Ed was attempting with his modern mix. And it had a character that Mark mentioned as more "commercial". Personally I could have handled a smidge less of that as you could hear that and it felt somewhat exaggerated/audible compression. I wouldn't mind Mark's mix with a tiny bit more of what Ed had. And likewise I'd like Ed's mix dialed back a bit towards Mark's. I wonder what Ed had on his Master Bus and how much of a role that played too.

  • @raycochrane3971
    @raycochrane3971 7 днів тому

    Plug In Paralysis! I don't plug ins. Over time I assembled a huge pile of free ones but now I mainly use native Reaper plugins. My template has three plugins per track: EQ some sort of compressor - both turned off and ReaFir to deal with the interference from heavy power lines outside, (some weird peak just above 20Khz and other bits),. I turn them on or add if I need them. Going IN I don't use any plugs though will use an outboard compressor on my bass. I don't mix well but I don't have paralysis anymore.

  • @DazzleRebel
    @DazzleRebel 7 днів тому

    A lot of the soothing and noise reducing software works better on poorly recorded tracks. Thats kinda where the market is with them. A lot of new artists are recording on garage band or other free/cheap software at home. So, these kind of plugins make sense in the editing stage, if needed before any mixing is done. A lot of the time with home recordings people skip the editing or even arranging (and sometime it feels its even the writing) stage and try to fix everything in the mix. I can't really comment as this is something that has only very recently been revelation to me. Start with a good song, arrange it well (with mixing in mind), record is well with feel and then edit all before mixing it. When the penny dropped its transformed the way I approach music production. I'm now confident the projects I'm working on now will blow my previous stuff out the water. Its all a learning process.

  • @andriskissproducer
    @andriskissproducer 7 днів тому

    You guys keep saying things word by word what I believe in or have in my head 🙂 I’m spending less and less time on youtube for the same reason I stopped reading forums ages ago. It’s full of misleading information and bulls#it “you must do this and that on kick, vocals…etc tutorials”. Then you got this “vintage and expensive is good, but everything else is bad” mentality. Too many arguments about what is better than the other…Btw I’m pretty sure the above are people in their bedrooms who never saw a client. …meanwhile I just keep making music and create great memories with awesome artists. For me that’s what this is all about. I’m having fun 🙌 None of my artists care what mic I use or what I do during mixing. They have a sound / picture in their heads and we paint that canvas together. From the first second when we do a meeting to make plans for the project, throughout recording and producing until the last listening session it’s all about that. Or what kind of effect does each part of the song have on the target audience? The internet says it’s 99% about mixing and 1% about everything else. Might sound strange but I’d say the way I work, we spend 20%-30% mixing and the rest on everything else. Excited to finally meet you guys this year. 🙌

    • @PresentDayProduction
      @PresentDayProduction 7 днів тому

      Amazing! Thanks for the comment! Are you going to GearFest? If so, we can’t wait to meet you too!

  • @ChuckDMixing
    @ChuckDMixing 7 днів тому

    Ps- I actually loved the snare choice

  • @chris_nalder
    @chris_nalder 7 днів тому

    well done boys

  • @kyleparrish6004
    @kyleparrish6004 7 днів тому

    Is Ed's mix lighter on low end? Or is that my headphones? Felt like PDP mix was more bass/kick forward, and I missed that in Ed's.

  • @hellcat5music
    @hellcat5music 7 днів тому

    I feel like I've come so far from where I was in february, looking back at what I did with this song then, and the difference between what I made then compared to now. So very glad I got an invite a few years back! PDP has been a foundational step in my progress! Side note: MARK unleashed is FUN to watch. Let him off his leash all the time, and you'll get MORE viewers / subbers :D I swear. I promise. meow.

  • @EdThorne
    @EdThorne 7 днів тому

    Gentlemen, thanks for taking the time to analyse our mixes and give us your professional feedback! Sam, it was great to get your insights as an artist and producer, too.🤘🙏

  • @jenslempke7501
    @jenslempke7501 7 днів тому

    I will use that piano tip myself. Great idea from a real master. Also, Belinda is forever one of our greatest singers ever. What a force of nature/music she is.

  • @twenkmcwanzer
    @twenkmcwanzer 7 днів тому

    Just wondering why you have an old eMac under the desk?

    • @PresentDayProduction
      @PresentDayProduction 7 днів тому

      Haha we have literally EVERYTHING in our studio. You find weird stuff everywhere you look!

    • @twenkmcwanzer
      @twenkmcwanzer 3 дні тому

      ​@@PresentDayProduction It's always handy. I still use mine to run Logic Pro 7 on Mac OS9 and apps such as 'thOnk_0+2', which is still great for granular fx and textures.

  • @PresentDayProduction
    @PresentDayProduction 7 днів тому

    Please note that this is NOT a personal attack on Paul Third! Paul and Ed took our multitracks with NO direction from us, and NO brief from us, and mixed the tune. A genre neither of them are familiar with. We heard Ed’s mix first and he took our negative, but hopefully constructive feedback, ran with it, and sent back an incredible mix! Paul chose to go his own way and do ‘his thing’ and that’s absolutely fine. The truth is that we prefer Ed’s (even over our mix!) but that is NO reflection of Paul’s skill and talent - a mixer and UA-camr we have nothing but love and respect for! They mixed it for their podcast, and to have two very similar mixes would have been somewhat boring. So this is NOT a criticism of Paul in any way! Love ya Paul! ❤

  • @brajoco219
    @brajoco219 7 днів тому

    Great listening to your take/discussion on all the elements of this song, highlighting the large and sometimes small but critical things in a polished, professional recording. It's a great track 👍🤓

  • @chrisibbetson
    @chrisibbetson 8 днів тому

    That would be great to have Ed on to describe his process and also a vid on the mastering would be very popular I'm sure.

  • @chrisibbetson
    @chrisibbetson 8 днів тому

    Ed's mix is great! Perhaps the high mids feel a bit busy in places but it is providing energy and a very small thing to be concerned about. Nice work!

  • @Herfinnur
    @Herfinnur 8 днів тому

    I prefer Ed's mix, by the way. It sounds more lively and open and dynamic than almost any "commercial" music I've heard in recent memory. But then I'm also in a period where I can't take the sound of compression. I've ended up mostly listening to late 80s early 90s recordings or to jazz and classical

  • @jellemeeuwsen9842
    @jellemeeuwsen9842 8 днів тому

    Wow love Ed’s mix! Sounds super spacious

  • @Herfinnur
    @Herfinnur 8 днів тому

    If saw people saw Mark's polite and measured criticism as rude or mean, then that must be down to british culture or maybe even culture in the English language sphere. It would perhaps also explain why youtubers see comments as rude that we here find good natured. The criticism you get in Germany or Austria or the Faroe Islands would have been several million times harsher and I personally don't have a problem receiving that kind of criticism. I mean, how the hell could you be more polite and measured than Mark was without it becoming smarmy or condescending?

    • @chrisibbetson
      @chrisibbetson 6 днів тому

      Serious people who want to learn want to hear truthful opinion. Personally I'd prefer to hear the fly on the wall conversation no matter how painful it may be 😊

    • @natdenchfield8061
      @natdenchfield8061 День тому

      As I understood it, it was the reaction in the UA-cam comments Mark was talking about. They will be from all over the world . ... and one can't generalise about anyone's sensitivity to criticism based on where they are from - humans are different and individual, no matter the stereotype of the local culture they come from.

    • @Herfinnur
      @Herfinnur 21 годину тому

      @@natdenchfield8061 But “cultural stereotypes” is not a blanket term you can throw over any mention of cultural differences. The fact that Faroe Islanders don’t present themselves or new people to other people, for instance, is frequently (actually always) perceived by foreigners as rude and closed off, but the fact of the matter is that it simply isnkt a concept Faroe Islanders understand, for instance. To Faroe Islanders, someone all of a sudden saying: “Hello everyone, I would like to introduce you to my wife” must be three seconds away from having a stroke or a psychotic breakdown, or he’s a complete narcissist. And I know this doesn’t directly relate to my above comment on English culture, but I’m just trying to illustrate how aspects of culture can be so disparate that they radically change a people’s world view in a way thatks way beyond any notion of cultural stereotypes. All this nonsense just to say that, yes, people are people no matter where on earth, but cultural differences play a much, much bigger role than you would think, and there are things one whole country will agree is plainly rude, where an entire different country will find that very thing endearing

  • @bestdisco1979
    @bestdisco1979 8 днів тому

    Great tutorial,,book has been purchased.

  • @happymontanamusic
    @happymontanamusic 8 днів тому

    The problem with this review is you don't suggest alternatives!! Near this range of price.

  • @TheSakuraGumiLTD
    @TheSakuraGumiLTD 8 днів тому

    Do you think a new I/O format will be created with Atmos in mind and maybe will open up the analogue integration into Atmos. Oria did the obvious of making the D25 to be all AES outputs. But is not AES connection a stereo focus connection? When there can be odd number in Atmos setups and that speaker numbers can change, would it not best that I/O can come out in single channels? And then a single channel system could make things less complicated, currently it's too much of a third world problem until Atmos is the norm so not point, just adapt what we already have for the moment.

    • @PresentDayProduction
      @PresentDayProduction 8 днів тому

      AES can be a pain to wire up due to a single XLR digitally transmitting a stereo pair, but fortunately most devices that talk AES (including our Audient ORIA and Trinnov MC Pro) let you reconfigure the pairs. Otherwise you end up with cables zigzagging the room! But I think the future will either be Dante or some other AoIP solution. Then you can easily patch in analogue gear with AoIP breakout boxes where you need to.

  • @djnickuk1
    @djnickuk1 8 днів тому

    Fantastic video. Have had the pleasure of meeting Phil at Actual Radio a few years ago. My only gripe is way too many adverts, literally every couple of minutes or so which kind of spoils Phil's presentation.

    • @PresentDayProduction
      @PresentDayProduction 8 днів тому

      Unfortunately the ads are out of control on this one, due to the monetisation being taken over by UA-cam's algorithm - the track is copyrighted, and so all monetisation goes to the songwriter. And we can't turn it off! Sorry about that...